Hallador Energy Company (NASDAQ: NASDAQ:HNRG), a coal mining and power generation firm, reported a net loss of $1.7 million, or $0.05 per share, for the first quarter of 2024. Despite the loss, the company showed signs of a strategic shift with electric operations revenues surpassing coal revenues for the first time. Hallador's adjusted EBITDA stood at $6.8 million, with operating cash flow reaching $16.4 million.
The company's efforts to reduce debt were evident, as it lowered its funded debt balance to $77 million and net debt balance to $75.4 million. Hallador Energy is transitioning towards becoming an independent power producer, with forward energy and capacity sales adding approximately $138 million, increasing its sales book to about $657 million.
Key Takeaways
- Hallador Energy reported a Q1 net loss of $1.7 million but had a strong operating cash flow of $16.4 million.
- The company's shift to power generation is gaining traction, with electric revenues outperforming coal revenues.
- Debt reduction is a priority, with a significant $14.5 million cut in funded debt.
- Hallador is exploring major sales opportunities, including a proposal over $1 billion.
- The company generated 816,000 megawatt-hours in Q1 and aims for 1.5 million megawatt-hours quarterly.
- Workforce reductions and idling of higher-cost mines are part of cost-saving measures.
Company Outlook
- Hallador is optimistic about its transition to an independent power producer, with a focus on securing large power and capacity sales.
- The company plans to change its SIC code to reflect its new focus on electric services.
- Hallador Power expects power sales to continue to outpace coal sales in the future.
Bearish Highlights
- Hallador reported a net loss this quarter, indicating challenges despite its strategic shift.
- The company has idled production at certain mines and reduced its workforce, reflecting a downsizing in its coal operations.
Bullish Highlights
- Significant growth in forward energy and capacity sales, with the forward sales book reaching approximately $657 million.
- The company has sold over 5 million megawatt-hours of energy since 2024, with strong pricing in the forward sales curve.
- Hallador is actively seeking opportunities in the power market, including targeting data center customers.
Misses
- The company's power generation fell short of its goal, with 816,000 megawatt-hours generated versus the 1.5 million megawatt-hours target.
Q&A Highlights
- Brent Bilsland discussed Hallador's future acquisition capabilities and the strong position in sales.
- The company is actively participating in RFPs to expand its energy business.
- Bilsland addressed the EPA Clean Power rule, predicting legal challenges and potential unenforceability.
- Hallador is considering co-firing with gas and acquisitions to enhance asset value.
- Bilsland expressed confidence in the company's business model despite regulatory challenges and the limitations of alternative energy sources.
InvestingPro Insights
Hallador Energy Company's (NASDAQ: HNRG) latest quarterly report reflects a pivotal period for the company, as it transitions towards becoming a more diversified energy provider. While the net loss indicates some short-term challenges, the strategic shift towards electric operations signals a long-term vision that could reshape the company's revenue streams. With InvestingPro's in-depth analysis, we can glean additional insights that may help investors understand Hallador's current position and future potential.
InvestingPro Data shows a robust Revenue Growth of 75.28% in the last twelve months as of Q4 2023, underscoring the company's capacity to expand its top line significantly. However, it's important to note that Revenue Growth (Quarterly) for Q4 2023 experienced a dip of -21.63%, which may reflect the volatility in the energy sector or the transition phase the company is undergoing.
Despite the recent stock price challenges, with a 3 Month Price Total Return of -27.65% and a 6 Month Price Total Return of -55.24%, Hallador Energy has been profitable over the last twelve months. This is reflected in the Adjusted P/E Ratio of 4.34, which could suggest the stock is undervalued if the company can maintain its earnings trajectory. The Price / Book ratio of 0.74 further indicates that the stock may be trading at less than the company's net asset value, potentially offering an attractive entry point for value investors.
InvestingPro Tips highlight some concerns, such as the significant debt burden and the expectation that net income will drop this year. These factors, coupled with the analysts' anticipation that the company will not be profitable this year, could weigh on investor sentiment. Additionally, short-term obligations exceeding liquid assets may pose liquidity risks.
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Full transcript - Hallador Energy C (HNRG) Q1 2024:
Operator: Good afternoon. Thank you for attending today’s Hallador Energy First Quarter 2024 Earnings Call. My name is Megan, and I’ll be your moderator for today’s call. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to pass the conference over to Becky Palumbo, Investor Relations with Hallador Energy. Please go ahead.
Becky Palumbo: Thank you, Dagan. Thank you, everybody, for taking the time today to join our discussion on our first quarter 2024 earnings. With me today are Brent Bilsland, our President and CEO; and our newly appointed CFO, Margi Hargrave. Yesterday afternoon, we released our first quarter 2024 financial and operating results in a press release that is now on our website. Today, we will discuss those results as well as our perspective on current market conditions and outlook for 2024. Following our prepared remarks, we will open the call to answer your questions. Before beginning, a reminder that some of our remarks today may include forward-looking statements, subject to a variety of risks, uncertainties and assumptions contained in our filings from time to time with the SEC and are also reflected in yesterday’s press release. While these forward-looking statements are based on information currently available to us, if one or more of these risks or uncertainties materialize or if our underlying assumptions prove incorrect, actual results may vary materially from those we projected or expected. In providing these remarks, Hallador has no obligation to publicly update or revise any forward-looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise, unless required by law to do so. We plan on filing our Form 10-Q later this afternoon. And with the preliminaries out of the way, I will now turn the call over to Marjorie.
Marjorie Hargrave: Thank you, Becky, and good afternoon, everyone. First off, I’d like to personally thank Larry Martin for all of his hard work at Hallador, and for making this transition so smooth and enjoyable. Larry will be on the call to assist in answering questions for this quarter. Before we get started, I’d like to define adjusted EBITDA to refresh everyone’s memory. Adjusted EBITDA is the sum of operating cash flow less the effects of certain subsidiary and equity method investment activity, plus bank interest, less the effects of working capital, period changes plus cash paid on asset retirement obligation reclamations plus other operations. For the first quarter of 2024, Hallador incurred a net loss of $1.7 million, which equates to a loss of $0.05 per share for both basic and diluted earnings. Our adjusted EBITDA for the quarter was $6.8 million and our operating cash flow for the quarter was $16.4 million. Of the $16.4 million, we used $14.5 million to reduce our debt and at quarter-end, our funded debt balance was $77 million and our net debt balance was $75.4 million. We also had $18.6 million of LCs outstanding as of March 31, 2024. Our liquidity at quarter end was $39.5 million and our debt to adjusted EBITDA or leverage ratio was 1.58, well within our covenant of 2.25. With that, I’ll turn the call over to our CEO, Brent Bilsland.
Brent Bilsland: Thank you, Marjorie. Throughout the first quarter, we continued our progress on transitioning the focus of Hallador from a coal production company to an independent power producer. During the first 3 months of 2024, our electric operations revenues exceeded that of our coal operations revenue. Additionally, we were successful in adding approximately $138 million in forward energy and capacity sales, growing our electric operations forward sales book to approximately $657 million as of March 31, 2024. This represents approximately 44% of Hallador’s total contracted forward energy capacity and coal sales through 2029 and roughly – of roughly $1.5 billion. However, we believe future forward sales from our electric operations will soon eclipse our forward sales from our coal operations. Since January, we have evaluated and continue to evaluate several major power and capacity sales opportunities, including one proposal made to us that if contracted, will result in a more than $1 billion worth of potential forward power sales. We continue to see strong indicators that demand and pricing remain on an upward trend. According to the Indiana Business Journal, in the last 12 months, there have been 8 new data centers and/or Bitcoin mining facility projects announced in the state of Indiana, where our Marine Power plant is located. We have also seen a major utility amend their integrated resource plan and publicly state that it previously underestimated new electricity demand growth by as much as 17 times. MISO has released information arguing that their capacity reserve margin, meaning the amount of excess generating capacity in their system could go negative by as soon as next year. Monitoring the equity markets further strengthens our belief that investors and other IPPs are also anticipating similar increases in power demand demonstrated most clearly through the more than doubling of market capitalizations of at least two of those IPPs across the previous 12 months. In support of our expectation that Hallador Power sales will continue to exceed our traditional Sunrise Coal subsidiary, we anticipate changing Hallador’s SIC code to 4911 electric services from 1220 bituminous coal producer in the future. On the electric side of the business, indicators for future power pricing appear much healthier than we have seen in recent months. We believe these indicators are supported by both our forward power sales book pricing and third-party future power curves. Additionally, natural gas future prices are in contango, meaning future gas prices exceed spot gas prices that have been depressing overall power prices for the last several quarters. As we discussed last quarter, the dynamics of the natural gas market paired with the nonstandard mild weather throughout the Midwest impacted pricing and our power plant dispatch rates thus far in 2024. Future prices seem to indicate improvement on both these fronts, which we view as a positive for our go-forward operations. In April, we also launched a targeted request for proposals for power demand supporting new development at our Merom Power Plant. Responses are due in mid-May, but early indications point to a high level of interest. The RFP is available on our website for any interested parties that did not already received the information. Our goal is for Hallador Power to generate approximately 1.5 million megawatt hours on a quarterly basis, which equates to approximately 6 million-megawatt hours annually. During the first quarter, Hallador Power generated 816,000 megawatt hours or 54% of our target despite an average price of $41.90. The favorable pricing is a result of experiencing sales prices as high as $250 per megawatt hour for limited times during the quarter, balanced against several days of pricing below our variable cost to produce. In forward selling capacity, we target annual sales of around $65 million to help offset our fixed annual cost at the plant, which are currently approximated at around $60 million annually. We have already sold a large portion of our future capacity, which we believe makes us – we’ve already sold a large portion of our future capacity, which we believe makes us our forward capacity sales goal readily attainable for the next several years. As a condition of acquiring the Merom Power Plant, we agreed to sell 1.66 million megawatt hours of energy in 2024 and 1.6 million megawatt hours in 2025 at $34 per megawatt hour to the plant seller, representing 27% of our annual 6 million-megawatt hour goal. Since this original transaction, we have been successful in selling over 5 million-megawatt hours of energy to third parties at an average price of approximately $54 per megawatt hour over the years 2024 through 2029. This roughly $20 per megawatt hour jump and average pricing has us very excited about future sales. During the first quarter, our variable costs at the plant were $31.88 per megawatt hour. While we believe that we can typically achieve lower per megawatt hour cost, the low energy prices during the quarter necessitated that we run our plant at slower speeds and resulted in more frequent than normal starts and stops to avoid selling below our cost structure. Running in this manner is less fuel efficient than if we were able to consistently generate at 6 million-megawatt hour pace, which we think could lower variable costs by as much as 10%. Shifting to the coal side of the business. As previously discussed, in late February, our coal operations segment, undertook an initiative designed to strengthen our financial and operational efficiency and create significant operational savings and higher margins in our Coal segment. This step helps to advance our transition from a company primarily focused on coal production to a more resilient and diversified IPP. As part of this initiative, we idle production at our higher-cost prosperity mine and substantially idle production at the Freelandville mine with minimal production until current reclamation projects are completed in late May or in early June of this year. As we have previously said, we expect this initiative to reduce our capital investment for coal production in 2024 by approximately $10 million. We also focused our 7 units of underground equipment on 4 units of our lowest cost production at our Oaktown mine. We also reduced our workforce by approximately 110 employees. Mining costs for the quarter were $53.38 per ton. However, at Oaktown, we saw mining costs in March decrease into the 30s on a per ton basis. While there are several factors that impacted this cost reduction, we continue to monitor operations and strategic initiatives to better understand the longevity of these favorable conditions. Historically, Sunrise Coal has generated approximately 6 million tons of coal annually. Following the restructuring, we expect Sunrise to produce roughly 3.5 million tons of coal on an annualized basis for 2024. If market conditions warrant, our current operations are capable of producing at a 4.5 million ton annualized pace. This year, we have also secured supplemental coal from third-party suppliers at favorable prices. This allows us to diversify self-production supply risk and provides us with additional flexibility in our sales portfolio. The optionality to obtain low-cost tons either internally or from third parties, while capturing upward swings in the commodity markets for coal should continue – should further maximize margins while optimizing fuel costs at our Merom facility. We continued our build-out of what we consider to be a best-in-class independent power producer management team in April. And in April, we welcome Marjorie Hargrave as our new CFO. Marjorie comes to Hallador with broad-based experience in power production and capital markets. Adding Marjorie is a continuation of the breadth and depth of the IPP talent we continue to add at Hallador. Over the last 2 years, we have been successful in hiring our President of Hallador Power, a Chief Legal Officer with data communications expertise, our Senior Vice President of Power Marketing; and a Manager of Environmental Engineering, all of whom are accelerating our continued development of Hallador’s current operational and future power acquisition capabilities. These prospects and our strong future sales position make us at Hallador very excited about the future of our company. I also want to thank Larry Martin for his 17 years of service at Hallador. Larry has been a trusted adviser and a friend, and we wish him success and retirement later this year. That concludes our prepared remarks. I’ll now open up the call for any questions.
Operator: Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Lucas Pipes with B. Riley Financial. Your line is now open.
Lucas Pipes: Thank you very much, operator. Good afternoon everyone. First, I want to add my congratulations to Larry and my best wishes for his retirement.
Brent Bilsland: Thanks, Lucas.
Lucas Pipes: Brent, I want to touch on your kind of forward sales position on the power side. There is that nice jump in 2026 versus 2025 to $55.37 versus just the $36.06. And I wondered if you could remind us what drove that? I have a suspicion, but would be curious to hear more about that. And could you maybe walk us through a pro forma revenue buildup of the Power segment, assuming kind of the forward power price market holds and also you sell the remaining capacity? Thank you very much.
Brent Bilsland: Yes. So as stated on the call, we sold a fair amount of 2024 and 2025 energy to the seller of the plant as a condition of selling the plan at $34 megawatt hour. And what we’re trying to – what we stated on the call is that we essentially have sold over 5 million-megawatt hours since that time to other participants and including – well, any of the market at $54. And so we continue to see fairly strong pricing in the forward sales curve. And it’s just a result of – I mean, you can’t pick up the paper any day and not read or hear about how all this new demand we’re seeing from AI and EVs and onshoring. And we’ve got MISO expressing their concerns about could the reserve margin go negative next year, which I don’t even know if that’s possible, but it kind of speaks to the tightness of the market. And so as we continue to make forward sales, we’re encouraged by the pricing that we see. We also as outlined saw an offer made to us for over $1 billion worth of future energy and capacity sales. So the reason we don’t have that contracted yet, and that deal may or may not happen. But there’s a number of RFPs going on right now, plus our RFP associated with mostly data center type customers, trying to get them to locate on or near the property. So we think there’s a lot of competition and one of the things we just kind of wanted to state is that if you look back, I think in the third quarter, we had something like we added $300 million in sales in the fourth quarter, like $400 million in the Power division. This quarter, $138, but we feel that there’s going to be the potential for some very large transactions this year is there. And so we just kind of wanted to signal that to the market that we’re hopeful that we can transact sometime this year on some very profitable and large transaction. So, I think that was the first part of your question. When we look at what’s the revenue line of the power plant, it’s basically made up of energy and capacity sales. And so we have not been as has as we would like to be in the fourth quarter of last year and first quarter of this year, which has meant we have been selling in the spot a large percentage of our power division in the spot market, which at times can be very high prices. We saw prices as high as $250 a megawatt hour in January. But we also see times where it’s below our cost structure and we are turning our plant off or we are slowing it down at night or something like that. So, the goal is to contract a higher percentage of our forward sales so that we can get the plants up and operating and leave them on, right. And so we have stated that our goal of 6 million megawatt-hours a year, that’s something that we think is attainable and something that we are working towards. So, look for more on that front out of us in the future.
Lucas Pipes: So, should we assume – thank you for this Brent. Should we assume that you would be kind of more hedged in the future?
Brent Bilsland: Yes. That’s our goal. We have been trying to do that in a very low-risk way, right. We have talked in the past about unit contingent, plant contingent type transactions in that if we can’t produce, we don’t have to cover. So, those have been slower to put together, but we have been successful in putting those together. And so we will hopefully continue to do more of that. None of that is ever guaranteed. We are just seeing a very large level of interest from a lot of different players. And so that’s got us encouraged.
Lucas Pipes: Very helpful. If you were to do something kind of behind the meter with the data center at the site, what would be a good benchmark for the power pricing? Would it be based on kind of MISO pricing in the curve, or would this be a bilateral agreement where prices could deviate from those benchmarks?
Brent Bilsland: Well, we will see. I mean we are – we don’t have the results back from the RFP. We are expecting those data points later this month. But certainly, those type transactions will have to compete with what we can do in the more traditional markets. And we feel that competition is good for us.
Lucas Pipes: Thank you. And can you speak a little bit to the connectivity at the site, would your site qualify for any data center, or could there be limitations due to constraints on the bandwidth of your connectivity?
Brent Bilsland: So, we have a 1-gigawatt interconnection at Merom. I believe the transmission line is flowing in and out of that substation there are around 1.6 gigawatts and so it offers an interesting situation where we can potentially supply a customer directly from the plant or those electrons can be purchased from the grid.
Lucas Pipes: Thank you for that. But in terms of the kind of fiber access no constraints you are aware of?
Brent Bilsland: Well, pretty much every location has to do some level of fiber build into the location, right, because these are very – potentially I guess the first question is what will the size of the facility be and whatnot. So, those are all questions that we have yet to answer, but again, we kind of mentioned earlier that our Chief Legal Officer kind of comes from the data communications world. So, we have been able to tap into that network of people and get really good advice. So, we think that and talking to the customers and talking to our advisors that this is very feasible and there seems to be a high level of interest.
Lucas Pipes: Very helpful. Thank you very much for that Brent. Best of luck. Larry, again, best wishes to you all. I will turn it over. Thank you.
Brent Bilsland: Thank you.
Operator: Thank you, Lucas. [Operator Instructions] Our next question will go to the line of Jeff Bronchick with Cove Street Capital. Your line is now open.
Jeff Bronchick: Thank you. [Technical Difficulty] ladies and gentlemen. Hey Brent, and maybe just go over the cash flow implications of what we have today and the current structure is in place, and sort of an expectation for cash needs over the balance of the year as far as you can see? And then help us walk through what the model looks like, under you get rid of the contractual low sales, and you are signing these conceptual big contracts. How does the cash flow model look going forward?
Brent Bilsland: Well, you get a lot of questions wrapped up in one there. So, I think we are clear that we don’t give out forward-looking guidance. I think we can talk at a high level of what our cost structure looks like and what our revenue looks like, right. So…
Jeff Bronchick: Got it. I am not looking for guidance, what I am saying is you guys have woken up and said, we are changing the model. And the model change clearly has cash flow implications, which are transitory – at least transitorily not good, and therefore, you guys are tapping different versions of liquidity to kind of keep the engine rolling. And I am just curious I understand transition issues, but on a higher level, like an independent IPP that’s publicly traded, we should look like what as far as a cash flow profile. I am talking free cash flow. That’s what I am trying to get at.
Brent Bilsland: Yes. I think what we are trying to say is, look, on the revenue side, we have got – I mean we clearly state what our prices are, right, that our average prices are for the energy, somewhere between $36 a megawatt-hour average in 2025 to as high as $55.37 in 2026. As for the energy, capacity, we are targeting $65 million in sales. Some years are better than that. Some years are worse. But if you divide that by 6 million megawatt-hours, that’s going to be a little over somewhere between $10 to $11 a megawatt-hour, right. So, total those two lines together and you have depending on the year, somewhere between $47 and $56 – or excuse me, $66 a megawatt-hour that’s the revenue line. On the expense side, we have a cost structure that’s going to be in the variable costs that’s this quarter was around $32 and a fixed cost that – assuming a $60 million cost divided by 6 million megawatt-hours would be $10, right. So, now $60 margins, $40 cost, that’s a $20 margin, 6 million megawatt-hours, that’s $120 million if we can hit all of our goals. We will see if we are successful in hitting of our goals.
Jeff Bronchick: But isn’t by definition, the IPP world, I mean you are never going to sell – you don’t want to sell out 100% of your capacity at the prices that the buyers want and vice versa. So, there is always a contracted versus spot. Hence, is not the IPP model highly variable and you will gush cash in the next year, you will be doing converts from the Board? I mean just help me out on it, how you are looking through this over multiple years. Let’s assume you guys execute perfectly. That’s what I am trying to get at.
Brent Bilsland: Well, I think on the capacity side, we clearly list out that we have a high percentage of our capacity sold. And so obtaining that goal there s a high likelihood of doing that because we have already got a high percentage of it sold, right. I mean if you are looking at percent of capacity contracted, it’s 100% this year, it’s 82% next year, it’s 77% the year beyond that, it’s 64% in the year beyond that. So, we don’t have a lot of work to do to obtain that goal. Where we have got to do work is on the energy side of the business, which is why we think in the next handful of months that we have participated in RFPs of our customers, and we have launched an RFP to target data center or industrial uses the power through an agreement with Hoosier Energy that we announced last quarter. So, we will see how successful we are, but we would like to get a decent percentage of our plant contracted out so that we can get both units up and running and at least have both units running at minimum load, which would be about 65% of our generated output to run at minimum load all the time. So, that’s kind of the goal. And that’s, I think what we are looking at. And then the coal side of the business, our power plant is one of our largest customers. And so that kind of has an internal hedge on our cost structure, being able to produce coal at costs and deliver it to ourselves. We do purchase some coal from outside parties, just to kind of diversify that risk. And that seems to be working out as well.
Jeff Bronchick: Okay. Thank you very much.
Brent Bilsland: Thank you.
Operator: Thank you. [Operator Instructions] The next question will go to the follow-up of Lucas Pipes with B. Riley Financial. Your line is now open.
Lucas Pipes: Thank you very much for taking my follow-up question. Brent, I want to ask you about recently unveiled EPA Clean Power rule. At what point would you consider making investments? What do you think is the legal outlook for this rule? I appreciate your thoughts. Thank you.
Brent Bilsland: Well, look, I think the world is trying to balance a couple of different things. On one hand, we want to keep the lights on 24/7, and we seem to have, for the first time in 20 years, maybe 30 years, significant growth in demand for electrons. And at the same time the world desires lower carbon emissions. So, that’s kind of the tug-of-war that I think goes on there. And the challenge that we are all being guided to. And the grid took 150 years or so to build and it’s designed for a system of base load power and spinning generation. And in many cases, it needs on-site fuel. And so we are trying to transition to something else in a short period of time, and that’s going to be really, really challenging. And so we have seen this new carbon plant come out. I suspect it will be stayed. And we have read different legal series and the like that it’s probably headed to the U.S. Supreme Court. And if I had to bet, I would bet they will probably say it was unlawful. But regardless of that, to me, it does give a path for our business to run through 2039 and that would be with co-firing with gas, which we have for the last nine months been studying to see if that is an alternative that a lever that makes sense for us to pull. So, we are continuing to evaluate that, and we are continuing to evaluate these new rules. There is going to be a lot of changes. But I think at the end of the day, the fact that we will always went out is the lights must always stay on. And if they don’t, there will be new leaders, right, because people just aren’t going to accept rolling blackouts in this country. And so I think physics prevails. That doesn’t mean that the desire isn’t there. We are not working towards that path. I just think we have to do so in a very responsible way. And so all of this is probably going to take much longer than what politicians and headlines would have you believe. I mean it wasn’t that long ago, 3 years, 4 years ago, they were saying that we were going to be carbon free by 2030 and then it was 2035. And now we have a pathway for the existing fleet to stay until 2039. And if this rule stays around, it essentially means that any new gas plant builds have to have carbon capture and storage, which to me makes it extremely challenged, Jane, for anyone to build a new gas plant. So, it kind of means that we are probably going to rely on the existing fleet and some capacity for much, much longer, but there will certainly be a lot of lawyers that spend time analyzing these bills. I mean these rules were 1,400 pages long. So, they are very detailed and specific. And I think the industry is still trying to figure out exactly what the exact interpretation is because it gets very specific for each fuel source. But to me, it’s a near death flow to a new gas plant build, which further makes – alright, so how do you expand the grid. You can’t build new gas, nobody is building new coal. Everyone who has tried to build a new nuclear plant had huge, huge cost overruns by 2x or more. So – and the capacity accreditation that we are seeing MISO hand out to wind and solar is 5% of nameplate, right. So, you got to build 20x of whatever wind and solar is to get you got to build 20 gigawatts of solar to get 1 gigawatt of capacity. I mean that’s – that math is very problematic. So, I don’t think there is any easy answers or solutions here, but we are becoming more and more convinced about the longevity of our business, the profitability of our business and mostly because we are kind of transitioning the company from a business that had a shrinking demand to a business that has a growing demand, and I think that has great benefit to the long-term shareholders of Hallador.
Lucas Pipes: Very helpful. Thank you, Brent. Two follow-ups on this, first, co-firing with natural gas, how much would that cost to make a plant change for that? How long would it take? And then on the back of your thesis that you just articulated, are you looking at acquisitions of other co-fired power plants, be it in MISO or across the nation?
Brent Bilsland: Yes. So, we are still – like I said, we are still evaluating what co-firing the plant would look like. And there is different ways of doing that. So, we are not really ready to come out with a cost estimate, though it is feasible. And then secondly, excuse me, I got interrupted. The second part of your question again, Lucas was what, acquisitions?
Lucas Pipes: Yes.
Brent Bilsland: Yes. I think we are always in the market and we are always having some level of conversation with someone about acquisitions and what that might look like. It’s definitely something that as we talked about on the call, we continue to build out our team of experts and kind of bolster our capabilities to acquire plants, operate plants and increase the overall value of those assets. And I think that’s what we are trying to do. And that’s part of the reason of the RFP with the different data center groups to see if that’s another way that we can add value to the platform that we have.
Lucas Pipes: Brent, I appreciate all of that, all the insights there. Again, best of luck.
Brent Bilsland: Thank you.
Operator: [Operator Instructions] There are no additional questions waiting at this time. So, I will pass the conference back over to Brent Bilsland for closing remarks.
Brent Bilsland: Well, I just want to thank everyone for their time today and their continued interest in Hallador. Thank you.
Operator: That concludes the Hallador Energy first quarter 2024 earnings call. Thank you for your participation. I hope you have a wonderful rest of your day.
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